The give and take between semiotics and second-order cybernetics

In this paper, I describe what I consider to be some of the similarities between semiotics and second-order cybernetics. Particular attention is paid to the importance of interpretation and recursion in both fields. A distinction is made between the concept of representation in representational realism and representation as the stand-for relationship. Two models derived from cybernetic theory, 'a recursive theory of communication' and 'levels of experience,' are discussed from a semiotic perspective and possible educational implications are described.